BLGM Pay Out Delay
Updated on: Friday, 11th of July 2014.
Withdraw time frame is up to 15 weeks now for all type of request....
I have seen that people are worried about Better Living Global Marketing (BLGM) Money withdraw policy and delay issues. So I have decided to share this information, based on my experience, to all of you.
Its been couple of weeks that Better Living Global Marketing has announced some DELAY on pay out times. BLGM withdraw time frame, It used to be a week if you withdraw in Hong Kong, but now it is up to 15 weeks in all circumstances including overseas wire transfer or Remittance due to increasing number of new member and obviously high rate of withdraw list.
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However, in BLGM, I have been paid every time I requested for. Of course, it is taking a bit longer than before, as long as your bank details are same, you will not get confirmation email and will get paid straight to your bank.
I am with Better living Global marketing for quite long now. I do not see any problem with pay out and I can see a bright future ahead for couple of years.
For BLGM international withdraw, you will need BIC Code, BIAN code and your bank address as well.
If you need any further information about Better Living Global Marketing (BLGM), please don't hesitate to ask me on freeinfo2012@gmail.com.
Thanks.
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ReplyDeleteNothing solid about it.. Virtual Money with real people investing real money with nothing but hype and drama backing it.. Prove me incorrect
Deleteoh.. to be honest... i havent won anything yet... i just dont have enough time to spend on bidding site... hope to win something one day... thanks..
ReplyDeletethis 4 to 6 weeks rules applies to everywhere, in Hong Kong as well. I just spoke with my friend. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHi Sam , been following your blog on the better living global market , have you an email I would like to ask you some questions / queries
DeleteIts 7 to 8 weeks now,
DeleteThis company is asking 17% of your withdraw now. Its a untrustworthy and unreliable company. They don't answer phone calls or email. Im starting to think they are nothing but scumbag lowlife scammers.
ReplyDeleteYeah, some members are upset about payment delays! The wire transfer costs about $40 USD and there is a 2% exchange rate charge. I know it is a safe way to make money, but this is a business not a bank, so you may have to wait for your money. I have taken out in cash a lot more than I put in, but blgm does not pay as much as they used to. Please do not contact me.
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ReplyDeleteCheck the website news. It will be stated there. If you cant find the info i printed the page so i might be able to scan it here.
DeleteYes found it from a leaders update ,
ReplyDeleteHappy new year
Keep it real & honest please.. The facts are that all the units purchased in southern Ca. none of the money went to the Home Office in Hong Kong this fact means that all the money in the accounts is all non-real virtual money and this sad but true issue is the true cause of the pay out drama, why lie about it? People are screaming on line
ReplyDeleteabout 4 + months no wire transfers hitting the banks and some are small amounts of money, Really? The up lines have egg all over them selves and are Ducking & Dodging like crazy.. We don't need more talk we need action and we need it now, or just pull the plug because its dishonest to keep stalling, making up stories were not stupid and have invested real money..
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ReplyDeleteWhat profit? its all non real virtual fake money.. If all the buy in money went to Hong Kong, Then they could say that penny auction money & profit sharing money was real, Right? Every one here who purchased units all the money went to an up line or pockets of a member.. So now Hong Kong says oh ya just a glitch but now I have marketing money coming in and now I have this other trick.. Its really sad, buying time, robbing Peter to pay Paul is childish and bad business: (
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ReplyDeleteYes.. bidder against bidder using virtual dollars = (0) less expenses = a loss.. Its easy math
DeleteBLGM, claims that it is a well funded, high profit, cutting edge business ran by a great leader.. Just the facts please #1, No customer service department, really? We have excuses, I would sub it out or have workers in my living room at home to take care of my clients wouldn't you? No one to return e-mails? really? same excuses
ReplyDelete#2 Wire transfer we blame the banks? The reason was Not cash flow? So new rules to shake down the members for new unit purchases? Oh so it was cash flow, what story do we believe? Lets all ask our great leader to stop spinning and start showing us that this is truly better living with out drama..
Ryan ,have you managed to cash out , or get your investment back ,
ReplyDeleteI see you where happy at some stage with BLGM
No just $1200.00.. My up line when I signed up told me any time I need to trade hkd all I needed to do was give her a day or 2 notice and I would never have a problem I trusted her because she came highly regarded from our church members & yikes I got 1 and she got crazy rude even to long term church friends and other up lines are as well you can see it play out on facebook..I so hope to just get my money back but when you read the e-mails I get from google & yahoo blogging friends its not looking good at all.. Some folks are over 120+ days on transfers and can't get customer service help at all..
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ReplyDeleteMillion & millions, of virtual non real dollars: ( lol.. So not true, all well funded business have a customer service department, not excuses.. Have staff to return e-mails, not excuses..The facts are that this is a spin machine with (0) results of what the leader says and does... what happened to China going live and our virtual profit sharing was going double? The date was set for 11-16-2013 what happened to that? This business is all hype, backed by hype & guaranteed by a bag of hype, no warranty, with no customer service... O.k. well we are kicking a dead horse here.. I will say this "Show Me" "Don't Tell Me" Real people have invested real money & some have left there jobs and some have gambled there homes & futures this is not a game for some.. "Just Saying"
DeleteO.K again again a new date has arrived just for the record "In February We Shall Have Divine Intervention & Virtual Dollars Will Become Real & Transfers Shall Supply & Become A Reality" "Show Me" excuse me wile I laugh..
ReplyDeleteHere's one LOL.. From one of my e-mailers we should change the name to "Virtual Better Living" we can pay real money to buy in and you get to pay your bills with virtual dollars and live the dream virtually.. we can have a virtual customer service department with a virtual office that makes new fun rules for us every week.. Yous for a low cost $1200.00 US per unit... Tell Em What The Won Behind Door number One "DRAMA" This is sad but true: (
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if this is true or not??? I'm trying to find out rt. now but I have a e-mailer that has said that pulling the plug has been on the table.. BUT the business was funded by family and out side money and this is why BLGM is looking like a clown juggling puppies on a unicycle and explains the lies & excuses... Hummmm "Interesting"
ReplyDeleteI start from 3 accts for $3000 since Aug. Now I already cashed out $12000 without any downline. Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions or if you are interesting. Email: julianlo.0321@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteAlso you can see the presentation on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSqChOLgj4
Hello Julian Lo! How are you cashing out? What bank are you using and how long is taking? Thank you for your help
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ReplyDeleteI put in a $3500 transfer 16 days ago and not even an E-mail.. Many that I'm talking to have had "no" e-mails from 3 months ago..1 has even said that she sent Mr Luke Tang an email with out a response.. Many transfers are at 3 month no show and some are at 4+ months...Sooo if some one is winning the transfer lottery good for you: )
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DeleteNothing like the internet to keep things real & honest.. If I get any good news at all from my team of e-mailers and direct group of fellow BLGM members "I will report on it" but for now its all BAD and not getting better.. I am giving my buy in money receipt to my tax guy to right off as a total loss.. BLMG is most defiantly in Warning - Caution - Danger - Embarrassing - Territory.. I'm so glad that I didn't get my friends & family to do this: )
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DeleteMr Hector Garcia has tricks as to cashing out "nice" advice from some one ahead in the game.. lets do a page on Hector Garcia's tricky moves on cashing out.. Hummm more hype most likely
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ReplyDeleteHey Hector! I heard that you are cashing and cashing...Very nice!!! I am a member too and took the risk too. Can you please expand as of what tools are you using to cash out. Would like to do the same since have a lot of e-money. Thank you in advance for your expertise!!!
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DeleteNo one from my group is getting any pay outs and collectively over a 1000 units...Every thing I'm reporting is very true: (
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ReplyDeleteCan you stop delete people's posts?
Ryan, I just got mine like a week ago
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ReplyDeleteMr Hector Garcia, is looking for fresh victims so he can show them amazing tricks to cash out & "WOW" the score he gets plus bonuses.. I'm certain that he has your bet interest in mind
DeleteI just was on a conference call.. It really sounds like spin & more drama.. Luke Tang can not do his own conference call anymore?? Why?? We had Gabriela doing this one and it sounds like a lottery more than ever on the pay outs with a limit one per customer per month.. Hector claims its a trick and a trick adviser is needed to get a pay out?? Silly rabbit tricks are for kids!! "Not good business practices: Julian, won the pay out lottery.. So more new rules about collecting on our virtual money ... Looks Bad Again
ReplyDeleteThis cat claims to have more money than Bank Of America but BLGM runs more like a pinball machine.. Same deal, put your money in and the ball jumps around the score looks promising and it takes your money with out customer service to help... Hummm, Slot Machine? ITS ALL HYPE
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ReplyDeletePrays God that BLGM is working on phase 2 and phase 3.. Phase 1 is a total loss & we are Under Whelmed with its ability to live up to the hype & promises.. Lets recap BLMG is Un-honorable at client services, Un-Honorable with email operations, We have the incredibly shrinking pay checks aka retirement account & what happened to the 11/16/2013 hype date about china going live and our profit sharing was expected to double? Sooo yeah we have phase 2 & 3 to hype us up.. BRING ON THE NEW ACCOUNTS CAUSE THIS IS AWESOME "NEW VICTIMS WANTED" Go Team!!!
ReplyDeleteStarting Tomorrow I Will Be Starting a Daily Up Date As To Live's Affected: A single unemployed mom who purchased units instead of fixing her car, who couldn't by her 3 boys Christmas gifts because of BLGM....
ReplyDeleteA lady that so prays every day that her over worked husband can retire & now cant.. She has sacrificed every thing to gather up a 100 units to make it possible.. But yikes this business has proven it self unreliable
Real stories, real life's... But according to Hector Garcia they should have done research before buying in.. They did sir it was a lady from there church who claimed all would be fine, trust me...
ReplyDeleteThe same lady that does our calls & has turned her back on us all "??????????"... but she is still looking for new folks to buy in. much like Hector Garcia hummmmm ... Find out who she is
ReplyDeleteWho has turned her back on you Ryan ?
DeleteAll this reporting is to make a fair point about BLGM.. Not so much about me.. I'm being the voice for the folks that wont or cant.. "Keeping It Real" people who say they don't read this stuff turns out that the do: )
Delete20 days since my last transfer request... With no e-mail from the home office, I wonder why? hummmmm oh ya they suck at this stuff: (
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DeleteThe truth is rude?? This is nothing but the truth here... Really?? So spin me here I can take it: ) I have my big boy pants on.. Just the facts please, so do tell??
Delete& just for the record I'm not desperate at all.. I have already decided like so many out there that this could be a total loss... So prove me wrong by showing me not hyping me...
ReplyDeleteAlapartida has not replied, hummmm OK well, I guess that I was told to shut up? Why? The truth is hurting the cool aid drinkers? Second this calm down thing is this persons standard saying to others that speak out to bully them like they are not calm.. Third the desperate comment is also the standard bullying comment to imply an unreasonable behavior.. Good Try How Many Of Ya All Trust Alapartia To Be Your Friend Or Beacon Of Light On This Golden Opportunity's "8 Second Rodeo Bull Crap Ride"???
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ReplyDelete"WOW" Super great response from Mr. Hector Garcia... Clear, professional & finally a well noted disclaimer so when you put all together, we have results will fluctuate, we have no customer service, a put up & shut up way of doing business from our up lines & good luck with that as to winning the pay out lottery.... New rules every week and the incredibly shrinking pay checks.. Hummmm, My good old american cash is way better in my bank than in a virtual off shore web site... You Pick For Your Self: ) All this info was not available to me when I signed up and yes the truth instead of hype would have been nice..
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DeleteBazza... Huge Early Morning Coffee Cheers To You!! Its simple Mr.LT is buying time so his his next trick can pay off.. He can not transfer virtual dollars to pay us.. Mr LT..Knows the fastest way to get money was to make the new investors to pick up the tap.. SAD: ( ....But all he did was stall out the engines, show & tell us beyond a doubt that our virtual money was no good.... Causing some of our up lines to show off there ducking & dodge, put up & shut up skills.. Again the last trick was China Going Live "Big Hype" 11/16/2013 Nothing Happened.. I have (0) faith in Mr. LT's tricks & ability to honorable..
ReplyDeleteHey Guys New Rules Some good Some not to good: but here they are :
ReplyDelete.1- Starting January 16, a certain percentage of "Cash Wallet" points must be used to register new accounts. Please note for details to be announced later on.
My question is any new members accounts or if I wanted to buy units for my self
1.- For withdrawals having opended over 45 days, they can be turned into ‘Cash Wallet” points upon request. Interested parties please apply at: mail with the following information:
and las but not least this is good one for the ones that have less units
With immediate effect, until 23:59:59, January 23rd., 2014, Members opening accounts #16 to #31, can choose to use 100% eWallet points to settle payments.
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ReplyDeleteWait a minute, if you have a cashout request they want you to leave it in your "cash wallet"? A "cash wallet" that you then use a percentage of to register new accounts? Huh? Does that mean you don't get your money, it goes to a new person? So old members pay for new? Lets just put the Ponzi in reverse?
ReplyDeleteVirtual Money Is Still Virtual Money, Just the shell game has some changes to it... Helpful & Beneficial?? Can't Wait To See... I'm 24 days out on my wire transfer request with NO email from our Virtual Customer Service Department: (
ReplyDelete24 days hahah come on man ....i cant even imagine when you have 2 months waiting ... this blog will be all destroyed with your comments .... just a little joke..... man I hope they pay you soon
ReplyDeleteAlapartida... LOL, Its not so much about me its others that have been waiting for emails and transfers, from way back in in August, it seems like maybe 1 or 2 % of the payout requests per week are being addressed.. I'm just the voice that happens not to be church mates with the up line that has sold this golden opportunity to poor people that are now suffering & I would start my own blog that would make BLGM look like a super joke, top google placement.. just saying
DeleteFirst, thank you Sam for leaving this blog open to have an open discussion about BLGM. I had a close friend who was offered this opportunity and after research decided against it. A couple of things we noticed:
ReplyDelete- Is this a legal, registered opportunity? Although the promoters have told everyone they do not need to comply with U.S/other nation rules that is not true. If advertised as a foreign investment it must be registered as a security. We did not find any evidence this has been registered. If you are selling this opportunity, you may be selling unregistered securities which can come with hefty fines. If you are receiving payouts and do not know how to report income to the IRS from foreign investments (specific forms and timelines), there are also hefty fines. If you have the security registration number/other business information that is allowing BLGM to do business in the U.S, please provide this. The fact that it has not been shut down (yet) is NOT evidence it is legal.
- The stated business model is very similar to ZEEK REWARDS which was halted by the SEC last year as a complex pyramid/ponzi. I can go into further details about this if you wish, but the bottom line is that there is not outside profit. If it is all members bidding on items to go into a "profit pool" it is a PONZI and ILLEGAL. Nobody has shown any evidence of people outside the program buying products.
- Some of the top promoters were also promoters of ZEEK REWARDS. These are NOT registered investment brokers nor have business/financial management backgrounds, they are members of the chiropractic/dental/church communities. I suspect they are using "social status" - not legitimate licensing - to promote the product. I KNOW they are specifically targeting the elderly and suspect they are also targeting those in immigrant communities. These are groups least likely to alert the authorities if they lose money.
- Please, take care in your personal decisions regarding involvement. If this has an outcome like ZEEK, there is currently an effort to retrieve profits from those that received them and pay it back to the victims. If this does fall and you are actively promoting, please take the time to consider potential ramifications from friends, family, and others. ZEEK has been very damaging to many, many personal relationships.
- If you believe BLGM is a scam and have specific information that may be of use to investigators, please contact someone (example California Department of Consumer Affairs). Do not take advice to "be patient". If this is a scam, more people will lose money while you wait.
- If you believe BLGM is a good, honest business investment, please WELCOME an investigation, or even actively participate. If it is valid, the legal record will prove it.
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DeleteHe should show us what a true "genius" he truly is by paying us... No more dates and time and excuses, if he's the real deal buy some postage stamps and/or start fed ex'ing us.. It takes a real half wit to do that, so he should have trouble rt????
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DeleteThe title of the BLOG asks the question - Is it a scam? As you can see, I have done research and concluded I belive it is a scam, clearly stating my reasons. As you are not of the same opinion, can you articulate why? Before we discuss the business plan and the handling of the finds, I would like to start with U.S laws regarding registration and reporting of foreign securities please, as you state the U.S federal government "can not touch this". Do you mean they can not touch those selling securities? Those make profits on foreign securities? What do you mean?
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Its not legal and has been running under the radar screen by way of a shut up & put up, up line cool aid drinkers rocking 40k per month cash pay checks.. The operations flounder aka founder runs this business on promises and up coming dates of high profit opportunities..I'm tracking it the best I can and it smells real bad: (
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ReplyDeleteYEAH.. I had to send 2 e-mails 25 days later I have just received my BLGM email confirmation... yeah, also I am happy to be report 2 on the team here in so cal.. have received wire transfers from October.. Yip that's 2 out of a 100.. Go Team Hong Kong!!
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ReplyDeleteHAHAHAH NOW he going to start Recruiting people this golden opportunity
DeleteWhats the customer service email address to send a request status of withdrawal pending
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DeleteI just used the 2 emails on my back office enquiry@hkdnr.hk.. this one worked.. I only got an email you goofballs.. The money could take forever?? But the guys that claim to have all the tricks and direct emails are Alapartida & Hector Garcia they claim to the golden direct email, they should post it..
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DeleteLol if I share this " Golden" direct email public, every one that have a week processing wire will mail this awasome guy that make the transfers fast and soon this mail box will be ignored
DeleteSo Ryan...For real got your money?
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DeleteAlapartida, Hector,
ReplyDeleteOf the people on the blog, you are the only two active that are still promoting the opportunity and claiming to be obtaining profits. Are you in the US? Are you registered investment brokers? If you are in the U.S, how are you reporting your holdings and earnings? IRS Form 8938? FBAR? How are those holdings/earnings identified?
You claim to have knowledge of a solid cash-out method but will not provide it to other BLGM members because you fear it will no longer be viable? Are you questioning the programs viability even while you continue to recruit??
I don't mean to be critical of anyone - I personally believe BLGM is a scam, and most on this blog are probably VICTIMS. I am noting that many here are probably not aware of the rules and regulations that are related to legitimate, legal investments and securities and probably were not advised by a licensed investment professional prior to participation. In fact, I believe some high-level promoters may have advised against it to "protect the opportunity". Again, these promoters may have been using professional titles completely unrelated finance education and licensing to gain credibility; in professional communities this has a tendency to raise ethical red flags.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if you suspect this may not be a valid, legal opportunity and continue to promote it for your own gain and it does turn out to be a scam, there could be accusations of intentional FRAUD. Is this a risk you are willing to take? Please, check out this opportunity with the SEC or a licensed investment professional to help make the right decisions.
Alapartida just keeps being a dim bulb instead of the beacon of light, guiding the way through this "golden opportunity's" Wacky ways.. Way to go Sir, you are living up to a fine reputation of a scandalous up line cool aid drinker.. That email should be available for an even playing field not as a trick as for some to have the upper hand.. Can you think for one second that you could be helping a single mom or a retired handy cap senior?
ReplyDeleteHey Ryan - lets not name-call. Be fair and give Alapartida an opportunity, he/she may be seeking legal/investment advice from a valid source as we speak. I don't think he/she is a top promoter, so if this is a scam he may also be a victim, or be close to victims (even if he claims he is ahead). He may have involved close friends/family. If I had just come to the realization that there were cash-out problems, had a method that was working, but perhaps my mother, sister or neighbor was involvedwas involved, I may be choose to help them first before giving it out to strangers. We don't know right now. AlaPartida may no longer be promoting.
DeleteTrue That, but this is the same guy that tried bullying me and others on a different blog.. To shut up & put up... This is real people with real stories and many are heart wrenching with real cash in this game.. To be told from your up lines to put up & shut up & to bad to sad with a your being desperate disclaimer is unacceptable...
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DeleteYes, keeping it honest with out spin: ) =
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ReplyDeletealap ...... how the hell you managed to win 123 items lol
ReplyDeleteAgree Ryan, lets keep it honest. Thanks everyone for providing the different information - whether your own experiences with cashout, new "rules", or your experience with the bidding process. All sides are helping form a picture of what is happening. I am curious what happens when you "win" a bid. How do you pay for and acquire your item? Most recently, what sort of prices are you paying for the items you "win"?
ReplyDeleteThis is a fun one for me to answer: If you are lucky enough to win at all?? But lets just for fun that you win the item, it will sell for around 50% its value..The winner -buyers item goes into a Que and sits in the back office, It could sit for ever I guess. You then get to go purchase the item with your money, send the receipt to Hong Kong & then you wait for the 50% to come back to you....I'm Scared.. The glitch is that some folks will go buy the item just to get a receipt, copy it and return the item and then wait for Hong Konks big tax free check.. Its crazy
DeleteHey why did all my cool aid drinkers go away & delete all the fun postings? I must go check google & yahoo blogs, I so hope that Leslie has not taken her toys & gone home too..Again - Again ya all, some folks out there do not have a voice & can't speak out due to circumstances, I collect emails take calls from my group & I am not selling this product or any other product.. I'm very honest & I have (0) tolerance for spin, I have had (0) answers to questions & not one good debate about my true statements & stories.. Hummmm
ReplyDeleteActually, I am hoping the participant are still lurking - your answer was quite interesting and may provide insight to how others are participating. I suspect there are very different ways people are participating - and whereas we may have assumed we were all talking about program investment cashouts, this may not have been the case.
ReplyDeleteBased on statements about "winning bids", I am now guessing Alapartida's participation seems to have been focused around the bidding process, he/she may have learned how to "game" the system to their advantage completely separate from the ponzi/investment profit part. If I understand correct BP does not have a distribution system for its items - so someone goes to say, Radio shack or Best Buy, buys the item, submits a receipt and gets the difference between the bid price and the purchase price? But some then return the item, have no money invested, but get a check from BP? Quite interesting.
Regarding this reimbursement process. Is this perhaps that Alapartida was doing and his "golden email"? If this was what Alapartida was doing to get "payouts", he is probably looking at a completely different budget line and a different POC that would likely have nothing to do with the investment/profit portion claimed by the program. For those looking to cash out of the program altogether, not sure if his POC would help - if this assessment is correct.
For those who have purchased an item (whether you returned it or not) - how do you get reimbursed? A check? Wire Transfer? How long does it take?
It will be interesting to compare how long a reimbursement takes compared to a program cashout....especially since they claim the cashout issues it is an overload of the banking system, not any other problems.
Yes.. Ding Ding Ding.. Gabriella's had a call today and she is full out still pushing this product... SAD
ReplyDeleteAjnico, lets start our own blog as an info provider invite all the cool aid drinkers in and hype um up like the do others.. Could be a hoot
ReplyDeleteNow, Lets Open Our Books To Gabriella M.. Chapter 1 paragraph 1, a $40k per month cash earner that is still promoting this golden opportunity and is our local trainer fully staffed with office and is a long term trainer here in Wildomar, Ca..Our voice on the phone and spin cycle set to fluff & puff & Mr. L.T.'s to producer that gets to do all our phone calls & meeting.. I'm taking questions
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ReplyDeleteThank you for keeping this blog open; I am not sure this is what you anticipated when you set it up, but I hope that you are not displeased with the result. Many questions have been asked and information passed that may be useful to many, regardless of their personal decisions.
Ryan,
I have someone who is close that was nearly a "cool aid" drinker. This person is smart and hard-working in their own area, but investment knowledge was not a strong point, and they did not know all the questions to ask. How many people really understand securities laws, and IRS codes? The plan layout was complicated so people would get caught up in details such as how to increase "units" and not see the big picture. Charisma, "reverse psychology", titles such as "Dr/Pastor", and comparisons to valid businesses tended to give a sense of validity. At some point you were convinced, or you would not be in this position. I t is heartening that you are taking what you have learned and suspect to attempt to help others, but it is a decision many others are going to need to come to grips with. For someone who is intelligent, the idea that they may have been duped can be difficult to accept. Again, I will let legal authorites make the final decision on the validity, but I firmly believe all evidence points to this being a very illegal Ponzi.
If the target audience includes elderly, people in immigrant communities and people of faith, they may have more at stake than their money. Can they afford to get caught up in a legal investigation? Lose personal/professional reputation? Have to rely on family members? How will having one in a church community taking advantage affect one's faith?
I hope to educate people to ask more, and more educated questions. Ask those promoting and if they don't directly answer, it may be a warning sign. Ask licensed professionals. Learn laws surrounding investments.
Even (when) BLGM is shut down/dies, there will be another "opportunity" behind it. Those at the top will evolve their tactics.
If you recommend another forum where people already are, I will work with you to help educate people. I also hope you have alerted authorities with your information (no need to disclose if you have or have not). I want to try to do this in a considerate way to get people to really think about what they are involved with, their level of participation and risks and the potential outcomes. They will still make their own decisions.
Ajnico: ) God bless & A Huge Amen,
ReplyDeleteHere's a group of questions I have always thought about: Why can't this guy pay us by way of Pay Pal? Or a postage stamp with a check? Fedex, or UPS or DHL? Prepaid visa or master card? This has never made any since to me except for the fact that wire transfers are the most dramatic solution with the most control on his part? If he is truly super rich why not just have a bank here and transfer funds just for pay outs??
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ReplyDeleteHay Bazza, not that I'm into any more drama but the web site looked cool.. do tell? can you really make money?
DeleteAre you telling me that you are saying all this negative stuff about this company and you never even visited there website?
DeleteTimothy.. I was asking question to Bazza regarding Penny Matrix.. I spend more time on the better living website than the ones that I work on for a living . lol..Better Living Should Be Called Stress You Out Drama Living every week a new game with new rules new pay requirements, buy in requirements, incredibly shrinking dreams of success with a daily dose of spin living..
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ReplyDeleteLOL... I have my businesses to run.. I would never be a good recruiter and I don't gamble, the better living thing was me trusting a church group.. Yikes never again
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DeleteWOW!!! Really?? Kctub you are very impressive and a great debater.. I'm just waiting on the debate part...lol.. Name calling and I'm telling on you is hardly a debate.. Prove me wrong and tell the world how great this business is, delight us with facts..
DeleteOK!!! Hot Off The Presses: Are ya all ready for this one?? Senior Fraud Alert. A very nice church going older lady with a power house lawyer for a son.. Has she a criminal case plus a civil case and who would be charged? The answer is "YOU" as the point of contact that received the payment...This is very real & the local police department will not settle for the usual disclaimers "To Bad To Sad" & "Wait Your Turn, You Desperate Old Lady You".. LOL Hummmm I know who signed this deal... Yikes, this could have been "YOU" .... Count me out for ever & just give my cash back please!!!
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DeleteAlso, A Cool Aid Drinkers Convention Up Date: February 15th 2014..11 am at the Palace Station hotel in Las Vegas Nv. Better Living Training!! Hummmm complete with picketers from AARP? lol
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DeleteAmerican Association of Retired Persons...
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Deletekctub.. Wow really? Your amazing me with your compassion for others, God blesses those that bless others with out expecting anything in return..kctub, your a fun one to watch out for for sure...May your greed be your good fortune in all that you do, I'm praying for you sir...
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DeleteSo a lady filed criminal charges and is launching a civil suit against her BLGM upline? Please, keep us updated!
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DeleteKctub, Congratulations on winning in our pay out lottery: ) Good job, so how about debating facts or do just want to name call like preschooler that you sound like.. Cause I facts all day long and if you are still believing and selling this amazing opportunity then all you will succeeded at is making more victims.....
DeleteIt is now definitely 8 weeks for wire transfer. So we need to make proper plan on withdraw such as how much it is gonna cost for renewal, when did u apply for withdraw, and when you going to apply for next one. I suggest if we request every month, which will make constant money coming to our account every month after first 2 months. And that is what i m doing now. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteRyan is a disinfo agent. I requested a payout 3 weeks ago and they have just emailed and confirmed deposit will occur soon. Sam's advice above regarding monthly withdraws is the best advice.
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Deletere: "they have just emailed and confirmed deposit will occur soon"
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Con artists learned a long time ago that the optimism of those expecting to see their money again is almost eternal.
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ReplyDeleteSenior Fraud Case Take 1: This 65 year old church going lady, diabetic, living on SSC. Purchases 3 units with her sons money as to set her self up & help cover medical and prescriptions... The bills come due before the pay out money can come in from BLGM .. She was told 14 days when she purchased, the family that sold her the units did like everyone else and spent the money.. The pay out money began to be critical as to pay her medical experiences.. She had to go back to her son & ask for more money.. The son said lets look at this BLGM deal.. It smelled to all heck..Reading e-mails like wait your turn and be patient.. So Detectives show up at this families door & want to talk about a Senior Fraud Case.. The family is forced to pay the lady back asap & and now they get to wait for BLGM checks to come in from the senior.. And Yes This Is A Very Real Story
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ReplyDeleteI have Gabriellas / Email address & live live just down the street from her BLGM office and I go to her church..
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DeleteSweet its all true and I have nothing to hide whats so ever: )
DeleteGo alpha cats.....LOL
ReplyDeleteJust for the record BS, name calling & I'm telling on you is not a debate about the facts... Yikes!! Really? This is the best we have?
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ReplyDeleteI am interested in your facts and viewpoint. BLGM claims to pay "profits" to its members. Where do the profits come from? For example, if you buy stocks in a legal company, you get profits from the product the company is selling, not from other stock purchasers.
Lets set aside claims that there are things going on that are outside the claimed business model - those are interesting alone. Who is buying bids besides those that profit-share from the "bidding"?
Are these considered foreign securities? Are they registered? Please explain.
No its considered a ponzi at this point.. lol.. its not a legal anything complete with out contracts or any paper trail.. Its what ever they make up as they make it up.. as far as the profits goes they claim fthat it comes from a penny action.. You buy a unit and then have to bid on items, the money that the unit cost was the profit.. Bidder against bidder.. But (0) of the buy in went to hong konk so they cant pay out and are charging the new comers..Its all played with virtual dollars & all we ever get, is promises of bigger money to come...
ReplyDeleteThis being able to say anything to get people to sign up is what got me in.. I was told that brief cases of money flowed through Gabriella's office and that she could cash us out with just a days notice.. Yikes many other things just like this example has happened..No paper trail or contract and every day new changes.. Its Embarrassing and this is how senior fraud cases now can happen.. with just a call
ReplyDeleteI will agree paypal may not be so awesome for BLGM. Paypal has acceptable-use policies that do not support pyramid, matrix and some MLM programs; it also has rather aggressive anti-fraud practices. Given BLGM's business model, using it for BLGM may not be in keeping with its policies and could result in having assets frozen.
ReplyDeleteYes This Is True..LOL.. I pay my bills by check, I would take a check.. LOL.. The profit center website is bidders paradise. com it works in cahoots with BLGM.com .... Darn it i just lost another cool aid drinker, non-debater, name caller... that was going the extra mile to tell on me..lol
DeleteYou were just throwing out other options - asking why you could not use paypal. That would be great - right?
DeleteBLGM doesn't use paypal because it is not a business model Paypal is willing to take a risk with. The want to retain their services and not be involved with shuffling around money for questionable businesses. Therefore, some who want to use paypal to willy-nilly shuffle about money, raise funds, etc consider their policies a bit over-aggressive.
Although Paypal can freeze accounts for up to 180 days, I have never heard of a seizure without a court order or validated customer issue that resulted in asset recovery.
Your question regarding why you cant use other means to get your money is a good one.
f If BLGM started using it, possibly ALL members of BLGM using paypal would have their accounts frozen. Wouldn't that raise a red flag!
Maybe some BLGM member should do some risk assessment -
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ReplyDeleteI know and share your opinion! Again, I am trying to figure out the mindset/information from someone that is still actively involved and probably promoting for their own personal gain. As you pointed out, kctubs feedback stating those on here are "bs", don't know what they are talking about, etc does nothing to show legality or validity of the program. I am giving kctub an opportunity to work through it.....I would like to see kctubs feedback. These transactions are going on in the U.S, so there should be lots of legal paperwork, business and tax registration, etc to back it up. As kctub indicates she has all the information to verify, would like to know which licensed investment individual/firm conducted the review for her and can provide all of us this information. As an educated investor kctub MUST be checking all this with a third-party outside the program that understand these rules, right? The legal record will show the truth.
him/her, have not idea the gender of kctub.
ReplyDeleteNot sure why my posts are anonamizing on occasion - this is ajnico
& They Got Nuttin...LOL.. Sorry its almost funny at this point.. And as you all can see I have yet to run into a nice one..Protect your ponzi at all cost behavior is super fun to watch except for the victims that's the part I hate...
ReplyDeleteActually Ryan - notice some removed their posts supporting BLGM? Is this not the goal - provide real information to help people see past the charm, "titles" and help them ask questions regarding the business model, their own participation levels and potential consequences? If you are still lurking - thank you for removing the posts. Shows some character.
ReplyDeleteMany, many are in the same predicament - it takes an open mind to reconsider what you believe to be true and challenge assumptions - and to accept that you may have made an erroneous decision based on hype or the advice of someone you love/trust. Lashing out at those challenging your assumptions is a common, human reaction - but at least they are here getting the information. Maybe they will pass it on to others and it may result in good exchanges of information that we on the blog are not privy to.
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ReplyDeleteKCTUB:: I'm telling Gabriella that your being mean and can't debate me: )= I will be sitting next to her in church... lol
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DeleteHere is your new home , Ryan boi..
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You will fit right in with all the other ignorant , rambling, idiot haters.
The rest of us winners will continue to use this blog as a very good resource , thank you Sam.
Ryan -
ReplyDeleteUnderstand, you are in the thick of it and watching more people get hurt. Its hard to be one of the first to realize something is wrong - you want it to stop immediately. Keep doing what you are doing. Be respectful of those that are victims - they may not realize or be willing to accept it yet. Your message will spread and pick up momentum. Since this is going on at church, is there someone who is not involved that can perhaps help?
Ajnico: You Are My Help, You Are A True Blessing: ) Yes the investigation is on as we speak, the blogs are being watched for an ongoing investigation & for future ones.. As are all e-mails & text messages that we can collect / provide as the best we can.. This is why if rats flee the ship or come out fighting its all good stuff.. A good debate of the facts would be awesome or a immediate business repair turn around..
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ReplyDeleteSam, where did you get the information that BLGM will remit withdrawal request in 8 weeks? My up line said that her up line said that in February, the waiting period for remittance will be shorten to 14 days. I hope this is true.
ReplyDeletewith more and more members having to cashout , to fund their c wallets ( waiting for withdrawls to hit their banks) the backlog will become even longer , going to be more like 140 days !!!!!!
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Deletewords of wisdom from your leader , a question put to him
DeleteThis is beginning to look like a company who cannot meet its financial obligations through its original business model
. THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS MODEL WAS ALL OF US WIRING 100% CASH TO HONG KONG FOR ALL NEW UNITS. WE ARE SIMPLY RETURNING TO THAT MODEL AT LESS THAT THE ORIGINAL 100% REQUIREMENT. IT WAS THE LEADERSHIP THAT DECIDED TO TRANSFER UNITS FOR CASH, MEMBER TO MEMBER, AND LEAVE THE COMPANY OUT OF THE LOOP. HOW CAN THE COMPANY PAY ITS MEMBERS WHEN IT DOES NOT GET THE MONEY FROM THE SALES OF UNITS?
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Deletekctub: Has just made my point... "PONZI" point & no finer example: ) Thank you for finally saying something with substance, I knew that you had it in ya... lol
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Deletekctub: leaving rt. now church for me starts at 10:20am please come I would love to meet you!!
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DeleteWhy in an alley? Church is better in side!! Unless you are implying a threat? Hummmm, Yikes, really? really?
Delete"kctub", have you been around long enough to know that when sharp Ponzi participants see their SCAM starting to crash, the first thing they do is try and get people to buy their imaginary money with REAL money?
ReplyDeleteKctub, member to member trading has caused many of the problems , if people want a unit , better off wiring to the company and not a member , kctub shame on you . You give BLGM a bad name
DeleteBazza: Your The Man, we might be having a very different conversation if all the buy in money went hong kong in the first place.. Now all we are is stuck & sick of the hype and spin.. The fact we are still selling this product is amazing to me..This BLGM thing is all bad, this is like a Jerry Springer show with ladies trying to WED criminals and looking past all faults: )
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ReplyDeleteIf the $1,295 "units" that you see on your computer screen in your account were worth REAL money, WHY would you want to sell them? If you truly believe that each unit will put $6,732 in REAL money in your pocket every 99 days, WHY on earth would you want to sell them?
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DeleteCome On Folks: kctub is open for business, lets all line up & buy up his units..
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DeleteKctub ,
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when member to member/ potential member trade happens ( like what you are wanting to do ) , does BLGM get paid ???????????????????????
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ReplyDeleteWhat are the specific lies and what is the truth? You have been asked about your practice of directly selling "units", worth Hong Kong dollars, for U.S dollars. One of the items I have challenged from the beginning is the sale of foreign securities and the legal authority to do so under U.S securities and exchange laws. Please explain the definitions, elements of the laws and how it applies/does not apply to BLGM and why.
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ReplyDeleteI beginning to believe that KCTUB. just threatened me...Hummmm, could it be that he is the BLGM put up & shut up enforcer / bully? Any event, who on this planet would enjoy a business venture with KCTUB??? lol
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ReplyDeleteWhy can't you answer any of there questions? I find that rather odd. Also why would you offer to sell your unit to recruit new members that is quite inconsiderate of you knowing that BLGM is having various issues right now. Why would you want to put someone is this hell storm if you don't know where the future of this company lies? Is it not a members right to ask questions about a company they invested there hard earn money in? They can't get answers from the company directly because there customer support is ignoring they emails and phone calls. Real people are asking you questions not crying and you are unwilling to answer. If you cant help ease members concerns i suggest you stop commenting because you are making yourself look ignorant.
DeleteHello Timothy, Your comment above was meant for our new friend and colleague kctub.. Its obvious that he is behaving as a topical bully and he has no point to make..He is very entertaining with out concern as to his image.. This person could be awesome at getting folks to read this blog..His Dramatic Self Might Help Us... lol
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DeleteHave ya all ever gone to a blog and a hockey game breaks out? LOL... Lets have a recap of events, We have been lucky enough to meet up with some really unique players in this game / golden opportunity, We have yet have debate at all, why? I have had threats but no debate? Name calling but no debate? Who in a stable state of mind would even think for 2 seconds that this "GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY" is a normal thing to get into.. Mr Hector Garcia was the if you didn't do your pre purchase home work, to bad to sad & you cant be a complainer, Guy.. Cool aid drinkers cheers to that: ( Alapartida was the wait your turn, get in line, put up & shut up, because the truth is hurting the business, Guy..Cool aid drinking cheers to that: ( Kctub is the I'm telling on you, name calling , I'm coming to meet you in an alley, I have your phone number, but please do business with me and buy my units, Guy.. Cool aid drinkers cheers to that: ( Hummmm did I miss anyone?? Cheers Ya All.. I love this place & happy Monday to ya..
ReplyDeleteI wish to debate with you Mr. Ryan Cannady.. I have been a with BLGM from the beginning and they do have a customer service department they just cant answer the (1) phone because business is very good.. very good to many calls to many.. to many emails we cant get to them all the (1) computer is to busy, to busy, business is good...I will just debate my self... LOL
DeleteYou say they no pay.. Its because business is good, they cant pay.. we sorry to much money requested to the one computer & printer.. Sooo sorry but business is good.. But you be happy soon so promise
WE HAVE ALL BEEN SCAMMED!!!! OWN IT, So we can all stop pretending, move on & stop selling it.. No one is going to happy soon... GAME OVER
ReplyDeleteWait, you admit you collected a payout from BLGM already, that makes YOU a wiling accomplice.Go ahead and call them Ryan, I dare you.
DeleteHi Friends -
ReplyDeleteFor your reading pleasure/discussion is an item from the U.S Government SEC site regarding PONZI schemes:
What are some Ponzi scheme "red flags"?
Many Ponzi schemes share common characteristics. Look for these warning signs:
•High investment returns with little or no risk. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and investments yielding higher returns typically involve more risk. Be highly suspicious of any "guaranteed" investment opportunity.
•Overly consistent returns. Investment values tend to go up and down over time, especially those offering potentially high returns. Be suspect of an investment that continues to generate regular, positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.
•Unregistered investments. Ponzi schemes typically involve investments that have not been registered with the SEC or with state regulators. Registration is important because it provides investors with access to key information about the company's management, products, services, and finances.
•Unlicensed sellers. Federal and state securities laws require investment professionals and their firms to be licensed or registered. Most Ponzi schemes involve unlicensed individuals or unregistered firms.
•Secretive and/or complex strategies. Avoiding investments you do not understand, or for which you cannot get complete information, is a good rule of thumb.
•Issues with paperwork. Do not accept excuses regarding why you cannot review information about an investment in writing. Also, account statement errors and inconsistencies may be signs that funds are not being invested as promised.
•Difficulty receiving payments. Be suspicious if you do not receive a payment or have difficulty cashing out your investment. Keep in mind that Ponzi scheme promoters routinely encourage participants to "roll over" investments and sometimes promise returns offering even higher returns on the amount rolled over.
If you are aware of an investment opportunity that might be a Ponzi scheme, contact the SEC by phone at (800) 732-0330 or submit a tip online at sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml.
What steps can I take to avoid Ponzi schemes and other investment frauds?
Whether you are a first-time investor or have been investing for many years, there are some basic questions you should always ask before you commit your hard-earned money to an investment.
The SEC sees too many investors who might have avoided trouble and losses if they had asked questions from the start and verified the answers with information from independent sources.
When you consider your next investment opportunity, start with these five questions:
•Is the seller licensed?
•Is the investment registered?
•How do the risks compare with the potential rewards?
•Do I understand the investment?
•Where can I turn for help?
Freaking awesome "wow" yip, this is all BLGM.... Complete with a phone number.. Also if your a senior and you purchased units and you were told 14 day payouts or told anything that has been changed you could be entitled to a full refund from the seller of the units.. contact you local sheriff or police department senior fraud division and they will take your statement.. Any to bad to sad & get in line & don't be desperate emails or text messages are important..
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